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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3331</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that&#039;s a piece of silly doggerel.</description>
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		<title>By: Bacchanalian Dance</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3330</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacchanalian Dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Good poetry is surprising, interesting, and nuanced. It makes use of striking imagery and the sonic qualities of language. It takes familiar things and makes them unfamiliar. It makes the reader meet it halfway. It shows a feel for the texture of language and uses it in a fresh way.&quot;

Good lord, the day any self-respecting poet actually stops to listen to this kind of male, western, logocentric cyber babble, he/she will at least have the comfort of knowing that the competition is weak. I suggest, Mr Rutherford, that you go back over your oh so illustrious blogroll and ask yourself a simple question: who am I to define an age-old art form in five measily little sentences? 

Now let&#039;s have a look at one of Harry&#039;s poems:

&quot;Harmison’s dew-pearled

The lark’s on the wing,
The snail’s on the thorn,
Harmison is on fire,
Panesar is taking key wickets,
Pietersen is holding his catches,
God’s in his heaven –
All’s right with the world!
As I’m sure Browning meant to say.&quot;

I think this poem is really surprising, interesting, and nuanced. Well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good poetry is surprising, interesting, and nuanced. It makes use of striking imagery and the sonic qualities of language. It takes familiar things and makes them unfamiliar. It makes the reader meet it halfway. It shows a feel for the texture of language and uses it in a fresh way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good lord, the day any self-respecting poet actually stops to listen to this kind of male, western, logocentric cyber babble, he/she will at least have the comfort of knowing that the competition is weak. I suggest, Mr Rutherford, that you go back over your oh so illustrious blogroll and ask yourself a simple question: who am I to define an age-old art form in five measily little sentences? </p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s have a look at one of Harry&#8217;s poems:</p>
<p>&#8220;Harmison’s dew-pearled</p>
<p>The lark’s on the wing,<br />
The snail’s on the thorn,<br />
Harmison is on fire,<br />
Panesar is taking key wickets,<br />
Pietersen is holding his catches,<br />
God’s in his heaven –<br />
All’s right with the world!<br />
As I’m sure Browning meant to say.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this poem is really surprising, interesting, and nuanced. Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rundle</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3327</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Rundle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Perhaps the many good blogs that can be found among my long poetry blogroll just haven’t applied, so 9rules don’t know what they’re missing.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s exactly it Harry, and unfortunately we don&#039;t have many connections in the poetry/writing communities (versus the design, technology, development communities) so our reach is definitely limited.  We&#039;re very interested in finding new blogs though, so hopefully soon we can use your blogroll as a resource and specifically invite some great literary blogs based on your recommendations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Perhaps the many good blogs that can be found among my long poetry blogroll just haven’t applied, so 9rules don’t know what they’re missing.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly it Harry, and unfortunately we don&#8217;t have many connections in the poetry/writing communities (versus the design, technology, development communities) so our reach is definitely limited.  We&#8217;re very interested in finding new blogs though, so hopefully soon we can use your blogroll as a resource and specifically invite some great literary blogs based on your recommendations.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3326</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike.

In retrospect, what annoyed me was probably not that I thought 9rules&#039;s choices were exceptionally bad; it&#039;s that I thought they were very typical. I think those choices say quite a lot about what our culture thinks poetry should be. If I was starting again with that post, I would do a better job of bringing in the general cultural context, and downplay the importance of 9rules and the specific blogs. 

Nonetheless, as someone with a belief in poetry as an important artform, I think it deserves better treatment. Possibly my approach would lose you readers – who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike.</p>
<p>In retrospect, what annoyed me was probably not that I thought 9rules&#8217;s choices were exceptionally bad; it&#8217;s that I thought they were very typical. I think those choices say quite a lot about what our culture thinks poetry should be. If I was starting again with that post, I would do a better job of bringing in the general cultural context, and downplay the importance of 9rules and the specific blogs. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, as someone with a belief in poetry as an important artform, I think it deserves better treatment. Possibly my approach would lose you readers – who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rundle</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3325</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Rundle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well in the interest of full disclosure, our Writing Community is still in its fledgling stages and we realize that it needs time to grow and be nurtured.  We believe our members are of a high quality, and if you want to disagree you&#039;re free to, obviously.  Many people trust the recommendations that we provide, so if they&#039;re good enough for our readers then we&#039;re going to be happy with the decision of inviting them to join 9rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in the interest of full disclosure, our Writing Community is still in its fledgling stages and we realize that it needs time to grow and be nurtured.  We believe our members are of a high quality, and if you want to disagree you&#8217;re free to, obviously.  Many people trust the recommendations that we provide, so if they&#8217;re good enough for our readers then we&#8217;re going to be happy with the decision of inviting them to join 9rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Zen Moon - Moonlit Poems and Thoughts of Travis Jay Morgan</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3322</link>
		<dc:creator>Zen Moon - Moonlit Poems and Thoughts of Travis Jay Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Harry Rutherford over at Heraclitean Fire has doused my blog in flames by graciously decorating me in the “nicely designed but seriously poor content” award! Oh, how I do appreciate an honest review. Conversely, upon such a statement as “seriously poor content,” I would have liked to have seen some paradigms to back up his perception of my poor content. I know I am no Shakespeare, but what constitutes as “poor content?” I simply post my poems. So Harry is saying that my poems are seriously poor, in other words, they suck. No problem. Just tell me what sucks, and I will do my best to improve. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Harry Rutherford over at Heraclitean Fire has doused my blog in flames by graciously decorating me in the “nicely designed but seriously poor content” award! Oh, how I do appreciate an honest review. Conversely, upon such a statement as “seriously poor content,” I would have liked to have seen some paradigms to back up his perception of my poor content. I know I am no Shakespeare, but what constitutes as “poor content?” I simply post my poems. So Harry is saying that my poems are seriously poor, in other words, they suck. No problem. Just tell me what sucks, and I will do my best to improve. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3309</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom.

I&#039;d rather define good content. There are lots of different ways to write poetry, but here are some of the kinds of things I might hope to find in a poem:

Good poetry is surprising, interesting, and nuanced. It makes use of striking imagery and the sonic qualities of language. It takes familiar things and makes them unfamiliar. It makes the reader meet it halfway. It shows a feel for the texture of language and uses it in a fresh way.

The two poems I picked out lack those qualities. They are not examples of good poetry. I feel slightly unfair in picking those two writers out, since their poems are no worse than most of the poetry on the internet. But &#039;the best of the independent web&#039;? No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather define good content. There are lots of different ways to write poetry, but here are some of the kinds of things I might hope to find in a poem:</p>
<p>Good poetry is surprising, interesting, and nuanced. It makes use of striking imagery and the sonic qualities of language. It takes familiar things and makes them unfamiliar. It makes the reader meet it halfway. It shows a feel for the texture of language and uses it in a fresh way.</p>
<p>The two poems I picked out lack those qualities. They are not examples of good poetry. I feel slightly unfair in picking those two writers out, since their poems are no worse than most of the poetry on the internet. But &#8216;the best of the independent web&#8217;? No.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3308</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you define &quot;seriously poor content&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you define &#8220;seriously poor content&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3301</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, you&#039;re quite right of course. One of the virtues of the internet is that it usually is possible to do it yourself, and the Smorgasblog is a nice way to do it. I think my annoyance is partly due to long-term frustration at the kind of stuff which is generally presented to the public as &#039;poetry&#039;. It&#039;s one of the few things that gives me sympathy for professional philosophers.

N-a-F: just glad to be of service, ma&#039;am. *tugs forelock*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, you&#8217;re quite right of course. One of the virtues of the internet is that it usually is possible to do it yourself, and the Smorgasblog is a nice way to do it. I think my annoyance is partly due to long-term frustration at the kind of stuff which is generally presented to the public as &#8216;poetry&#8217;. It&#8217;s one of the few things that gives me sympathy for professional philosophers.</p>
<p>N-a-F: just glad to be of service, ma&#8217;am. *tugs forelock*</p>
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		<title>By: Not-a-Finger</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3292</link>
		<dc:creator>Not-a-Finger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re all missing the point. The point is, the future has suddenly become clear to me: I am going to marry Andrew Eglinton and transmit the rot with him forever. Thanks, Harry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all missing the point. The point is, the future has suddenly become clear to me: I am going to marry Andrew Eglinton and transmit the rot with him forever. Thanks, Harry!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3289</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, I see your point. But my response is &quot;don&#039;t complain; do it yourself.&quot; I&#039;ve been having a ball finding things to excerpt in my sidebar Smorgasblog - it makes blog reading into a daily treasure hunt - but if you don&#039;t have time for something like that, I gather there are apps that let you syndicate snips from a few, choice blogs. My point is I think we could all be doing more to promote each other, rather than relying on a few, bogus &quot;communities&quot; to pick the winners. Screw them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, I see your point. But my response is &#8220;don&#8217;t complain; do it yourself.&#8221; I&#8217;ve been having a ball finding things to excerpt in my sidebar Smorgasblog &#8211; it makes blog reading into a daily treasure hunt &#8211; but if you don&#8217;t have time for something like that, I gather there are apps that let you syndicate snips from a few, choice blogs. My point is I think we could all be doing more to promote each other, rather than relying on a few, bogus &#8220;communities&#8221; to pick the winners. Screw them.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3288</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks.

Curiously enough, I had no agenda at all – I just wandered across 9rules and decided to comment. But thanks for dropping by.

Harry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks.</p>
<p>Curiously enough, I had no agenda at all – I just wandered across 9rules and decided to comment. But thanks for dropping by.</p>
<p>Harry</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a funny post, especially since your blog has no solid direction and the visitors to your blog do not even know its purpose. Your content is far more poor than the sites you listed. Actually, the blogs you listed (9rules, 1, 2, and poetry review) have great content and I am adding them to my favorites. It&#039;s obvious your site didn&#039;t get selected, so now you are bitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a funny post, especially since your blog has no solid direction and the visitors to your blog do not even know its purpose. Your content is far more poor than the sites you listed. Actually, the blogs you listed (9rules, 1, 2, and poetry review) have great content and I am adding them to my favorites. It&#8217;s obvious your site didn&#8217;t get selected, so now you are bitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bruce</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/07/29/9rules-writing-community/comment-page-1/#comment-3286</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the good ink Harry.

A supreme honor to bag a bad review from you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good ink Harry.</p>
<p>A supreme honor to bag a bad review from you&#8230;</p>
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