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		<title>Comment on Links by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/06/links-6th-july-08-to-6th-july-08/#comment-18562</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I did service, I was offered a choice of oaths: the usual one, sworn on the New Testament, is:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I swear by Almighty God that I will faithfully try the defendant and give a true verdict according to the evidence&lt;/blockquote&gt;

but they have a selection of holy books at hand, and versions for whatever religious tradition you prefer; &lt;i&gt;'I swear by Allah...'&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;'I swear by Waheguru...'&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;'I, being one of the people called Quakers, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that...'&lt;/i&gt;

I went for the affirmation:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will faithfully try the defendant and give a true verdict according to the evidence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

... and I couldn't help feeling that it would make life easier for them if they just used that as the general purpose oath for everyone. I guess religious people aren't to be trusted unless they fear that God might strike them down.

No, really, I do think this array of oaths is rather admirable as the bureaucratic expression of a tolerant society. It's just a bit unnecessarily complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I did service, I was offered a choice of oaths: the usual one, sworn on the New Testament, is:</p>
<blockquote><p>I swear by Almighty God that I will faithfully try the defendant and give a true verdict according to the evidence</p></blockquote>
<p>but they have a selection of holy books at hand, and versions for whatever religious tradition you prefer; <i>&#8216;I swear by Allah&#8230;&#8217;</i> or <i>&#8216;I swear by Waheguru&#8230;&#8217;</i> or <i>&#8216;I, being one of the people called Quakers, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that&#8230;&#8217;</i></p>
<p>I went for the affirmation:</p>
<blockquote><p>I do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will faithfully try the defendant and give a true verdict according to the evidence.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; and I couldn&#8217;t help feeling that it would make life easier for them if they just used that as the general purpose oath for everyone. I guess religious people aren&#8217;t to be trusted unless they fear that God might strike them down.</p>
<p>No, really, I do think this array of oaths is rather admirable as the bureaucratic expression of a tolerant society. It&#8217;s just a bit unnecessarily complicated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links by shadygrove</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/06/links-6th-july-08-to-6th-july-08/#comment-18560</link>
		<dc:creator>shadygrove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of the dustup over my former representative, Keith Ellison, who chose to be sworn into office with his hand resting on a Koran. It was hugely and stupidly controversial at the time, but Ellison handled it deftly: It's hard to go on shrieking about what would our Christian Founding Fathers &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; when your evil Muslim political opponent is standing there calmly holding Jefferson's own copy of the Koran. Jefferson was an Enlightenment-minded deist who would no doubt be absolutely horrified at the contemporary American political right. Not that it matters: It's like Sinclair Lewis said, fascism will come to America wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the dustup over my former representative, Keith Ellison, who chose to be sworn into office with his hand resting on a Koran. It was hugely and stupidly controversial at the time, but Ellison handled it deftly: It&#8217;s hard to go on shrieking about what would our Christian Founding Fathers <i>think</i> when your evil Muslim political opponent is standing there calmly holding Jefferson&#8217;s own copy of the Koran. Jefferson was an Enlightenment-minded deist who would no doubt be absolutely horrified at the contemporary American political right. Not that it matters: It&#8217;s like Sinclair Lewis said, fascism will come to America wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Happy un-England Day by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/05/happy-un-england-day/#comment-18557</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's clearly just unfair.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Happy un-England Day by Scotty</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/05/happy-un-england-day/#comment-18556</link>
		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"...being casually rude about the Welsh for no obvious reason."&lt;/i&gt; - had to chuckle at that one, Harry.

We too, have our &lt;a href="http://www.australiaday.gov.au/pages/page3.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;own day&lt;/a&gt;; jealous yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;being casually rude about the Welsh for no obvious reason.&#8221;</i> - had to chuckle at that one, Harry.</p>
<p>We too, have our <a href="http://www.australiaday.gov.au/pages/page3.asp">own day</a>; jealous yet?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/01/links-1st-july-08-to-1st-july-08/#comment-18555</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everyone would agree that your assumptions are self-evident.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Links by Mark</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/01/links-1st-july-08-to-1st-july-08/#comment-18554</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, fuck me, is this a joke? What's the difference between aetheism (in this form) and religious belief? Unless there is something intrinsically dehumanising in deism, why should anyone see any benefit in switching from one worldview to another? It's not as though there are any more or less good people on either side. It's not as though a life lived by the rigorous application of scientific principles is any more fulfilling than a life lived according to religious conviction. 

Fucking nasty business. Leave people alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, fuck me, is this a joke? What&#8217;s the difference between aetheism (in this form) and religious belief? Unless there is something intrinsically dehumanising in deism, why should anyone see any benefit in switching from one worldview to another? It&#8217;s not as though there are any more or less good people on either side. It&#8217;s not as though a life lived by the rigorous application of scientific principles is any more fulfilling than a life lived according to religious conviction. </p>
<p>Fucking nasty business. Leave people alone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cy Twombly at Tate Modern by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/03/cy-twombly-at-tate-modern/#comment-18553</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the most mediocre picture of a cat is at least still a picture of a cat.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The titling of poetry journals by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/08/28/the-titling-of-poetry-journals/#comment-18552</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup :)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Cy Twombly at Tate Modern by Dave</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/03/cy-twombly-at-tate-modern/#comment-18551</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, the threshold is a lot higher for abstract expressionism, isn't it? A representational work can fall well short of total gestalt and still be enjoyable to look at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, the threshold is a lot higher for abstract expressionism, isn&#8217;t it? A representational work can fall well short of total gestalt and still be enjoyable to look at.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The titling of poetry journals by Jody Porter</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/08/28/the-titling-of-poetry-journals/#comment-18550</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or a made-up word that means nothing at all.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Links by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/01/links-1st-july-08-to-1st-july-08/#comment-18549</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a couple of comparisons would be interesting. One would be to compare de-conversion stories with conversion stories — both godless people who find religion, and people who switch from one faith to another — and the other would be to compare de-conversions from overtly religious countries like the USA or Iran with those from largely irreligious countries like Finland or Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a couple of comparisons would be interesting. One would be to compare de-conversion stories with conversion stories — both godless people who find religion, and people who switch from one faith to another — and the other would be to compare de-conversions from overtly religious countries like the USA or Iran with those from largely irreligious countries like Finland or Japan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links by Jaime Morrison</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/07/01/links-1st-july-08-to-1st-july-08/#comment-18548</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: "He was not critical, but kept asking questions about why I took to this religion and specifically required that I put things in my own words instead of mouthing what I had been told. He made me think! and that’s all it took." 

I'm sorry, but the implications of that statement are kind of sad. 

As to "de-conversion" coming from within... 

Yes at this stage of the game it would HAVE to wouldn't it? For it to come from "without" there would need to be an equal and opposite societal pressure which could challenge the centuries-old, ingrained attitudes and traditions almost every culture has in regard to religious faith. Which is to say conversion and de-conversion are not equivalent forces. When one seeks to convert another, one can simply draw-on and refocus a weighty, ancient, multifaceted cultural imperative. When one seeks to de-convert another on the other hand, one must effectively counter all of it. It's no wonder the stats aren't high on outside de-conversion, a minority voice has a hard time reaching majority ears. 

Many people resist their OWN intuitions and suspicions when it comes to faith, good luck getting anyone to listed you YOURS.

Or so it seems to me at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: &#8220;He was not critical, but kept asking questions about why I took to this religion and specifically required that I put things in my own words instead of mouthing what I had been told. He made me think! and that’s all it took.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but the implications of that statement are kind of sad. </p>
<p>As to &#8220;de-conversion&#8221; coming from within&#8230; </p>
<p>Yes at this stage of the game it would HAVE to wouldn&#8217;t it? For it to come from &#8220;without&#8221; there would need to be an equal and opposite societal pressure which could challenge the centuries-old, ingrained attitudes and traditions almost every culture has in regard to religious faith. Which is to say conversion and de-conversion are not equivalent forces. When one seeks to convert another, one can simply draw-on and refocus a weighty, ancient, multifaceted cultural imperative. When one seeks to de-convert another on the other hand, one must effectively counter all of it. It&#8217;s no wonder the stats aren&#8217;t high on outside de-conversion, a minority voice has a hard time reaching majority ears. </p>
<p>Many people resist their OWN intuitions and suspicions when it comes to faith, good luck getting anyone to listed you YOURS.</p>
<p>Or so it seems to me at least.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Science ≠ Atheism by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2007/09/13/science-%e2%89%a0-atheism/#comment-18546</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's OK, old posts never die, they just drift off the front page :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Science and faith however are directly in conflict, as they always have been.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, I agree with that. As I say, I do think that science and atheism are complementary; there's a natural sympathy between them. But they aren't the same, I think, and it seems like an important distinction to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s OK, old posts never die, they just drift off the front page :)</p>
<blockquote><p>Science and faith however are directly in conflict, as they always have been.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I agree with that. As I say, I do think that science and atheism are complementary; there&#8217;s a natural sympathy between them. But they aren&#8217;t the same, I think, and it seems like an important distinction to make.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Science ≠ Atheism by Brian</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2007/09/13/science-%e2%89%a0-atheism/#comment-18545</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I just realized how long ago you wrote this.  Hopefully it provides some insight on something you haven't looked at in a while?  Hopefully.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Science ≠ Atheism by Brian</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2007/09/13/science-%e2%89%a0-atheism/#comment-18544</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This peace caused me think.  And what I think is simply that science is a method of thinking.  Religion is not really a method.  It is more of an entity.  Faith on the other hand, I can see as the method with which religion, not very much like science, comes to conclusions about the cosmos.  So in that sense, I agree that religion and science are not in conflict.  Science and faith however are directly in conflict, as they always have been.  Thank you for causing me to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This peace caused me think.  And what I think is simply that science is a method of thinking.  Religion is not really a method.  It is more of an entity.  Faith on the other hand, I can see as the method with which religion, not very much like science, comes to conclusions about the cosmos.  So in that sense, I agree that religion and science are not in conflict.  Science and faith however are directly in conflict, as they always have been.  Thank you for causing me to think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glow-worms by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/28/glow-worms/#comment-18542</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, glad to help, and glad they liked it :)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Glow-worms by Jee Leong</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/28/glow-worms/#comment-18541</link>
		<dc:creator>Jee Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Harry,
I used your beautiful fireflies triolet, properly attributed of course, in my poetry writing workshop. I hope that's okay. The class liked it very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Harry,<br />
I used your beautiful fireflies triolet, properly attributed of course, in my poetry writing workshop. I hope that&#8217;s okay. The class liked it very much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/17/links-16th-june-08-to-17th-june-08/#comment-18539</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the supreme court thing was interesting because it feeds into some arguments I've had about scansion: I know some people insist on analysing English with four levels of stress, and have a resultantly elaborate understanding of how to scan a poem. This has never chimed with my perception, and I might be inclined to claim that I could use the article above to argue my case. I might need a linguist to back me up, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the supreme court thing was interesting because it feeds into some arguments I&#8217;ve had about scansion: I know some people insist on analysing English with four levels of stress, and have a resultantly elaborate understanding of how to scan a poem. This has never chimed with my perception, and I might be inclined to claim that I could use the article above to argue my case. I might need a linguist to back me up, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homemade bacon by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/03/03/homemade-bacon/#comment-18538</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think beef is sufficiently different to pork that you might need a different recipe — there are various types of cured beef, like salt beef, bresaola and pastrami that you might want to check out. I'm guessing really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think beef is sufficiently different to pork that you might need a different recipe — there are various types of cured beef, like salt beef, bresaola and pastrami that you might want to check out. I&#8217;m guessing really.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links by Sherry Chandler</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/17/links-16th-june-08-to-17th-june-08/#comment-18535</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Courtesy of Harry. Harry Partch&#8217;s InstrumentsJackson PollockThe Grammar of ResponsibilityBored at work?The business of poetry [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Courtesy of Harry. Harry Partch&#8217;s InstrumentsJackson PollockThe Grammar of ResponsibilityBored at work?The business of poetry [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homemade bacon by Amir Hamid</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2006/03/03/homemade-bacon/#comment-18533</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir Hamid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is so great! I'd like to try this with beef instead as I can't eat pork. What's the best cut for this curing process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so great! I&#8217;d like to try this with beef instead as I can&#8217;t eat pork. What&#8217;s the best cut for this curing process?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links by Sherry Chandler</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/17/links-16th-june-08-to-17th-june-08/#comment-18530</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I played Boomshine all the way to the end, got ranked #400 for the day, out of 518. Not so hot, huh? But I never did figure out what I was doing -- obviously trying to trigger a cascade but how?

As for the Supremes, I'm afraid I lost interest soon after reading that Clarence Thomas didn't talk enough to count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I played Boomshine all the way to the end, got ranked #400 for the day, out of 518. Not so hot, huh? But I never did figure out what I was doing &#8212; obviously trying to trigger a cascade but how?</p>
<p>As for the Supremes, I&#8217;m afraid I lost interest soon after reading that Clarence Thomas didn&#8217;t talk enough to count.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Football vs. cricket by protecs</title>
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		<dc:creator>protecs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cricket is a boring game than football .. you can get giant killing in football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cricket is a boring game than football .. you can get giant killing in football.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/13/links-12th-june-08-to-12th-june-08-2/#comment-18514</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, cool. I've never heard of her, I just liked the picture.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Links by Dave</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/13/links-12th-june-08-to-12th-june-08-2/#comment-18513</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Densmore collected more American Indian songs than anybody. Her work is an ethnopoetic gold mine.</description>
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		<title>Comment on 1000 AD survival tips by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/12/1000-ad-survival-tips/#comment-18511</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I just think culturally you would be so foreign that any attempt to cash in on your “superior” knowledge would simply draw the attention of the powerful and thwap! That’d be it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I completely agree, but also: let's assume you find some very farsighted king with plenty of resources who is willing to invest in your expertise. How many people, starting with the tools available in the early middle ages, could manage to end up with a steam engine capable of, to keep it simple, grinding corn? I just think it's much much harder than people think; the steam engine example would require a combination of blacksmithing, metallurgy and engineering, for a start. And then even if you managed, would it actually be any more profitable? Given that iron is so much more expensive, transport costs are so much higher and so on. And what will you use for fuel? Do you know how to make coke? Or are you planning to start up a coal mine?

There must be a few skills that have remained fairly similar; if you were a very skilled sculptor, painter, potter, leatherworker or whatever you &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be able to find a job in a local workshop even without much grasp of the language. But the advantage comes from having old knowledge, not modern knowledge.

Entering into the spirit of the thing: if you &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; going to attempt to make a modest fortune through technology back in the year 1000, if you're allowed to prepare in advance and you can get to a large town, one possibility might be to learn as much as possible about simple paper-making.</description>
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<p>I completely agree, but also: let&#8217;s assume you find some very farsighted king with plenty of resources who is willing to invest in your expertise. How many people, starting with the tools available in the early middle ages, could manage to end up with a steam engine capable of, to keep it simple, grinding corn? I just think it&#8217;s much much harder than people think; the steam engine example would require a combination of blacksmithing, metallurgy and engineering, for a start. And then even if you managed, would it actually be any more profitable? Given that iron is so much more expensive, transport costs are so much higher and so on. And what will you use for fuel? Do you know how to make coke? Or are you planning to start up a coal mine?</p>
<p>There must be a few skills that have remained fairly similar; if you were a very skilled sculptor, painter, potter, leatherworker or whatever you <i>might</i> be able to find a job in a local workshop even without much grasp of the language. But the advantage comes from having old knowledge, not modern knowledge.</p>
<p>Entering into the spirit of the thing: if you <i>were</i> going to attempt to make a modest fortune through technology back in the year 1000, if you&#8217;re allowed to prepare in advance and you can get to a large town, one possibility might be to learn as much as possible about simple paper-making.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Muybridge Problem by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/11/the-muybridge-problem/#comment-18510</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. It's probably a ridiculous over-simplification, but it might be just true enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. It&#8217;s probably a ridiculous over-simplification, but it might be just true enough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Muybridge Problem by Jaime</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/11/the-muybridge-problem/#comment-18509</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good observation. Very interesting.</description>
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		<title>Comment on 1000 AD survival tips by Jaime</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/12/1000-ad-survival-tips/#comment-18508</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I was fascinated by that thread too. I have to admit though I couldn't help but lean toward the "you'll be killed" camp. I just think culturally you would be so foreign that any attempt to cash in on your "superior" knowledge would simply draw the attention of the powerful and thwap! That'd be it. Your plan actually goes a long way in solving that problem by simply removing the whole attempt to cash-in.

However... 

New reality show! Create a tear in the space-time continuum, send 8 ruggedly good looking and utterly narcissistic doofuses through the resultant time rift, and see whose plan results in glory / the least horrible death...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I was fascinated by that thread too. I have to admit though I couldn&#8217;t help but lean toward the &#8220;you&#8217;ll be killed&#8221; camp. I just think culturally you would be so foreign that any attempt to cash in on your &#8220;superior&#8221; knowledge would simply draw the attention of the powerful and thwap! That&#8217;d be it. Your plan actually goes a long way in solving that problem by simply removing the whole attempt to cash-in.</p>
<p>However&#8230; </p>
<p>New reality show! Create a tear in the space-time continuum, send 8 ruggedly good looking and utterly narcissistic doofuses through the resultant time rift, and see whose plan results in glory / the least horrible death&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The iPhone, Top Trumps, and widescreen TV by Harry</title>
		<link>http://heracliteanfire.net/2008/06/10/the-iphone-top-trumps-and-widescreen-tv/#comment-18505</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was educational too — how else would 9-year-old boys learn the engine capacities of dozens of supercars, or the relative killing power of Dracula and the Incredible Melting Man?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was educational too — how else would 9-year-old boys learn the engine capacities of dozens of supercars, or the relative killing power of Dracula and the Incredible Melting Man?</p>
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